What is Gematria and the problem associated with it?

I'll admit I was appauled when a friend said that God could use gematria to speek through to His followers. Why would God use such a pagan and occultic practice to speak to those who love Him? He certainly did not use this method to reach anyone that we know of in scriptures. He either spoke to them directly, used angels, or used dreams and visions to get His message accross to His people. If you know of even one point in time throughout scriptures where He did so I would certainly like to know about it. If you know please comment below.

Now this is what I was taught growing up because we studdied directly from the KJV and sometimes the NIV bible. Anything not within scriptures would be dis-reguarded because we know that you can not serve two masters...so involving yourself in occultic practices would not be a very Christian thing to do. Makes you wonder about people celebrating Easter (Ishtar) and "Christmas" (Saturnalia). Yeah I was once ignorant of this as well about holidays but once you know the truth you just can't look at it the same way...but we're getting off topic here.

The earliest record that exists of the use of Gematria is from the 8th century BC where it is written that King Sargon II of Babylon built the wall of Khorsabad the distance of the Gematria or numerical value of his name, which was 16, 283 cubits. Gematria was a well-known practice in the Mesopotamian area as all of the "gods" had numbers. From Babylon its next recorded use is in Greece. This would make sense, as the history of the pagan gods show that they originated in the Babylonian area and then their worship migrated outward to Greece, India, etc. As to how Gematria came to be used by the Hebrews, there are two ways. While it is clearly probable that Gematria was incorporated into Judaism through Qabalah (Kabalah) during the Babylonian captivity, the historical evidence seems to show that it did not really take hold in Judaism until the 1st century BC and is more inclined to be used the way the Greeks used it. This would infer that while they clearly would have been exposed to it in Babylon, it really began being utilized under the Greek influence. The Hebrews used Gematria for divination ( a major sin). That this was a real problem is easily found simply by reading the Tanakh or Old Testament. Israel was influenced by pagan practices from the Exodus on. Using pagan practices was such a perpetual sin that the ten northern tribes of Israel were dispersed by God for several thousand years until the end times (of which we are close to entering), when He will again bring them back to Israel. Not only did Judaism incorporate Gematria (only one of many occult practices that they were exposed to and brought back from Babylon), but early Christianity did the same. As mentioned in previous blogs, both Judaism and Christianity are full to overflowing of pagan practices, all which need to be removed.

As mentioned in the comment by Aviv to my post, Gematria made its way into the English language, as early as the 1500s. One of the most well-known authors and users of English Gematria was Aleister Crowley, one of the world's most famous occultists. He was known as "The Great Beast", and founded the religious philosophy known as Thelema. He also founded the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and The Ordo Templi Orientis, both occult organizations. People have even used Gematria to try to find hidden messages in Shakespeare.

The purpose of all of this history is to merely show that Gematria is an occult practice and should not be considered a method of interpretation of the Scriptures.

It's interesting that this came out of Babylon. It was an occultic practice used by pagans before the Jewish people ever picked it up. I had made a comment earlier to a friend that just because God created the heavens and the earth, He does not need to use occultic practices to reach His followers. Just because things have changed because of the Mandela Effect does not make it ok to dabble in practices we know we shouldn't be involved in. The very fact that this is a form of fortune telling (a major no no) should be a big red flag to any Christian that sees this going on around them We are in this world but not of this world. We are told to repeatedly "come out of her" and not go along with what the world is doing. We know truely what happened the last time the world became wicked enough with Noah and you know what happened then? What happens during the tribulations we face now is worse as well as what is to come afterwards.

Also on this page is a well thought out comment on God, numbers, and how He did not intend it's use for Gematria.

Who said that God created gematria? God uses numbers as patterns. Gematria uses it more as magical spells. God doesn't use numbers that way, as if they have magical powers.

And I fail to see how geometry came into the discussion. There is no mention of geometry. By the way, I was great at geometry. Even taught it in school.

And I am not Bible fear mongering. I simply tell what God's Word says. If you find that fearful, then take it up with the author. Their His words, not mine. And also,what is written above are not my ideas, the information came from the authors that I said I was quoting.

We have to remember that God's followers did their mirracles through HIM. Everyone else were practicing occultic magicks performing spells and possibly through demons to do so.

Gematria/Numerology : Use of numbers for magic. Occult science Kabbalah: it is a 12th century Jewish mysticism (German Origins) Play with languages and search for meanings Occult Philosophy. Male who would study kabbalah the knowledge of god male over 40 married with kids, very small number of men would study.

The use for magic(k)? I really do think people are playing with fire when they even think of using Gematria. It looks like the Jewish people were when they incorperated it into their "Kabbalah".

Numerology is a divination tool that works with numbers. Each number, from 1 to 9, has a particular meaning or energy. You use the numbers relating to your birthdate and your name to determine which numbers have particular relevance to you. Numerological divination can be used to determine your Life Path, your lucky numbers, your major life challenges, and much more. Along the lines of astrology, it points out major forces that you came into this life with. It's interesting to note that early mathematicians, like Pythagoras, frequently practiced numerology!

Again it's not about numbers themselves but how they are being USED!

Switching gears back into Kabala practices.

The Practical Kabbalah concerns Magic, such as the proper ways to make Talismans and Amulets, and lore about Angels and Demons.

Again we see the usage of magicks....anyone feeling any bad vibes from this? Is it just me?

The Unwritten Kabbalah concerns the study of the Tree of Life (discussed later).
Of the four branches, the Practical Kabbalah, Literal Kabbalah, and Unwritten Kabbalah are the most important to the Western mystery tradition. Joined with Hermetic principles and philosophy, these parts of the Kabbalah create a philosophical, mystical, and magical system for the practice of ceremonial magic. This system, sometimes called the “Western Kabbalah” or “Western Qabalah,” also plays a role in practical magic for the casting of spells.

Ceremonial magick? I don't even know what I'm reading. What IS THIS nonsense? Practical magick for the casting of spells? Uhhh no thank you.

If you speak to someone who studies numerology they will tell you that there is an uncanny relationship between numbers and words. They’ll tell you that letters and words all have a numerical value and weight that is implicit of deeper meaning, connecting other words of similar weight. In fact, this concept has been given merit and studied in relation to biblical texts for hundreds of years. Kabbalist Jewish scholars call this study gematria and believe that there is a hidden code in the Torah that contains clues to current and future events.

Wait. What? Repeat that last part to me again?

Kabbalist Jewish scholars call this study gematria and believe that there is a hidden code in the Torah that contains clues to current and future events.

So we're back to fortune telling again....just great (sarcasm). Is this enough to satisfy your curiosity? Maybe. Maybe not. I think it's completely wicked and we should not follow their practices, but every man (and woman) are responsible for their own actions and must account for them on judgement day before God.

Have beend doing this much looking at this topic between breaks. My heart just isn't into this topic. It's blatantly witchcraft. I only looked at this much because I was shocked that a self professing Christian said that God could use this to talk to His people which I have never seen one instance of anyone from scriptures doing this. I can't make you decide but I hope that you see why this isn't a practice that we should be involved in.