Bible Changes Community - Jesus with a GOLDEN GIRDLE!

Ahhhhh! I'm pulling my hair out! .Now our brethren are illustrating Jesus with a golden girdle (bra) and why wouldn't they?

THAT'S WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS!

Notice how they draw him sort of prancing around most effeminate. This is not the Onion. I found this on a Revelations Prophecy board.

From the comments:

Waist!

So evil!!!

Oh my, so blasphemous!

Shocking! Lord Jesus Christ help those who can't see.

It was a golden sash not a girdle and the sash was around his waist not chest. Yes, his feet were like burnished bronze which is a light golden color but he wasn't on his tippy toes.

Looks abnormal, even when it's not so flamboyant.

If anything it should be lower with the sash crossing the chest.

Are you sure they are our brethren? That is blasphemy! He looks so effeminate! This is heart breaking!

That is a question I raise in another topic.

Glad we are on the same page then.

The big question is does this evil intent of the changes spread to the heart of the deceived? Is it like a virus? Is it overwriting the spiritual DNA? This is something I tend to believe is happening. This possibility is what really got me thinking over the last few months reguarding the question of Salvation. I believe we have to consider the idea that ""blessed assurance" is misleading. That we cannot just assume people that seem to bare good fruit on the outside have fully worked out their salvation and "secured" it. We can know them by their fruit, but truthfully only God knows if they are secure in heaven to come, for only He knows the thoughts and intentions in the deepest corner of our heart. This is not meant to plant doubt in everyone reading this, but I believe we have to confront the ugly possibility that the Bible changes being consumed at face value may be reversing the spiritual destiny of our brethren while them being mostly unaware. We can say about the above illustration, "well the author is not at fault for he was only basing it off of scripture", but is it reasonable to assume God will say the same?

Will he be mocked with none going unpunished? Can you imagine the snickering going on as the AC spirit sees these types of illustrations coming forth? My point in all of this is not that it is our place to judge our brethren, but I think when you can step back and asses the seriousness of taking the scriptures at face value and seeing the mockery and confusion and BLASPHEMY (intentional or not) that it is causing, then that should give one pause, that would prompt perhaps a more active role in getting the word to the "blind" body of Christ.

I recently noted about the beast with 7 heads in Revelations from Revelations 13:1

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Well if the 7 headed beast represents the major 7 kingdoms of the earth (past and/or present) filled with PEOPLE (the sea represents people in scripture), then how would they all be guilty of blasphemy? Because the gospel has spread to the four corners of the earth already as was mandated. When the Bible is being preached with no filter or discernment, BLASPHEMY will eventually be spoken of our God intentional or not (as the illustrations I have posted today have shown). THIS is why the 7 heads have blasphemy on their foreheads. They knew not a relationship with Jesus Christ, but had merely a relationship with a book. An idol that has no power except by the one who gives it power.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ (the wording here is odd)."
1 Corinthians 2:15-16

As you see we have to judge. For what is the sword of the Spirit given then.

AN: I remember Jesus clearly saying "He who hath no sin cast the first stone". Also the famously quoted "Judge not lest ye be judged".

My spirit cries. It's an ache and silent tears flow.

This is what it should be -Golden Sash!

Does the word paps mean women's breasts or men's because I'm seeing both for the definition. Jesus does NOT wear women's clothing!

ME change. Don't bother what it means. All changes have only one meaning namely: the devil is a liar!

I know you mentioned me on your post about the false prophet, but before I can even begin to address the false prophet I have to address you view point on the anti-christ. I am sure you have noticed that I have not engaged in any of these discussions pertaining to the anti-christ being multiple persons or organizations. This is because I am in disagreement with you, and not prepared to enter into a prolonged discussion to defend my position. If I knew that I could get in and out of this discussion by only spending about an hour of my time I would gladly do so. However, you my friend are not the average Joe with a new way of looking at things.

You are an intelligent person who is an out of the box thinker who has put a lot of time and study into this idea, and I appreciate that about you. To convince you otherwise is going to take a well-reasoned argument complete with all of the scriptural evidence laid out for you to see. While I know why I believe what I do my perspective has been formed over years of study. It would take me several hours to track down the scriptures and then to put my argument down on paper will take at least as long (I am a slow writer). You deserve nothing less than my best effort.

My problem is I have a lot of irons in the fire, and not enough time to attend to them all. I have to prioritize how I use my time. Now while this topic is very high on the importance scale it is not that high on the urgency scale. If I thought we were within a year of the tribulation I would be all over this making a video. So for the time being I need to attend to things that are more urgent.Now while I do disagree with your assessment I do very much appreciate your perspective, and the thought that you have put in it.

I like that you have challenged my thinking on this subject because it is extremely important to understand these end times prophecies so that we will be prepared and not deceived.I will offer up this little bit of food for thought. To start with the bible never makes mention of “the anti-christ” This is a term that has been assigned by Christians through time. This term is typically applied to the “man of lawlessness or the son of perdition” depending on what translation you are reading. You can read about him in 2 Thessalonians chapter two.

He is called a “man” the pronouns he and himself are also applied to him. Making it clear that the lawless one is a person a man. Now the terms “spirit of anti-christ”, and “many antichrists” are in the bible. To make sure we know what we are talking about here lets break it down.

Christ means anointed one of God. Anti means opposed to. So the spirit of anti-christ is any spirit opposed to Gods anointed one. Simple enough, and an anti-christ of which there have been and still are many would be someone who is opposed to God’s anointed one. So many anti-christs is not necessarily referring to individuals who claim to be Christ, but to anyone who is opposed to the one true anointed of God. So yes the spirit of anti-christ can indeed be applied to organizations and groups of people, and there can be many anti-christ’s as individuals. However, there is a person we need to be on the lookout for and he is the son of perdition. I also believe that the false prophet is an individual as well, but I will save that for another time.

• I appreciate your measured response, and like I have said, I am always opened to be taught. I do know what you mean as in not having the time to properly respond to all aspects of the scriptures that deal with this subject. I feel there is so much more i need to address as well. With that said, I have noted elsewhere that the prophetic words given in scripture are special in that they often cloaked in a allegorical and metaphorical manner.
  
  From Strongs, we have a whole range of meaning provided from multiple sources meant to give a wide range of possible interpretations. What this boils down to is that the translators knew each word has a built spectrum of meaning in many cases when it comes to prophetic texts of the Bible. There is effectively a "spectrum of meaning" for each word where on the one side is the most concrete literal meaning and on the other is an esoteric hardly understandable meaning. I believe the M.E. proved the hard literal interpretation is folly (another post topic perhaps). Furthermore, I believe in this prophetic moment, the HS is at work to reveal the actual meaning of the prophetic text now that the seal has been opened.
  
  So take for example the term "man of sin" (all lower case mind you)...well that very phrase indicates a "descriptive idea" rather than a literal personal pronoun because no one is actually born from the womb of "sin". So man G444 on the hard literal interpretation = a masculine noun describing a man, "a man faced human being" to be exact.
  
  But on a less literal scale in the outline of biblical usage it can mean: "a human being, whether male or female , generically, to include all human individuals ,with reference to two fold nature of man, body and soul ,in the plural, people "So in the context of the phrase "man of sin" which clearly is more of an idea than a specific person, it is actually more appropriate to consider the usage of G444 in a LESS literal form.Next take "sin" G266. The most literal interpretation is "missing the mark", or "failing to hit the mark"A expanded definition based on its biblical usage could mean:"to err, be mistaken ,to miss or wander from the path of uprightness and honour, to do or go wrong ,that which is done wrong, sin, an offense, a violation of the divine law in thought or in act , collectively, the complex or aggregate of sins committed either by a single person or by many "So together, these words could mean: a single man who has missed the mark, and in violation of God's law,OR less literally it could mean ALL human individuals who have wondered from the path of uprightness and honor, and who are in violation of the divine law in THOUGHT or ACT.
  
  What is interesting about the range of possible meaning in the text is that where you end up leaning depends largely on what you prefer it means. Like you, for several decades of my life, the single figure idea of antichrist has been ingrained into my eschatological view through teachers, study, and end times geopolitics information, so it is very hard for me to disengage from that perspective. However i believe that is why God allowed the ME, so that we could feel more comfortable letting go of that sacred cow. So this brief exercise can apply to pretty much all of the prophetic texts which I too do not have the time to go into now.
  
  However by simply moving within a wider latitude of meaning hopefully after a prayerful moment with the HS, you may start to understand why I have leaned harder on this less popular method to understand the prophetic text. Furthermore, as mentioned above, I believe being a witness to the M.E. and changes is the key having the grace needed to re-read the prophecies as so.
  
  This is really a key point.
  
  You see Times and Laws have changed, and the lying signs and wonders/Strong Delusion has arrived. At minimum this tells us that the Antichrist is NOT the single figure standing in a temple openly casting spells and causing wonders for the world to gaze at from. So the very fact that Times and laws have changed and the lying signs and wonders are playing out should indicate to those curious about prophecy that maybe we should reconsider the traditional view of the single figure man of sin/perdition. Don't you think? For me, i believe the ME not only forces us to do this, but that through that wider prophetic lens, it has led to confirmation that the AC speaks more to the spirit of man that lives against Christ whether he does it overtly, secretly, or ignorantly...so for me YES the AC has been revealed or who we know of as the "man of sin" is staring at us in the mirror when we choose life without Christ.
• As I mentioned I appreciate your out of the box thinking, and causing me to re-think and challenge some of my views about eschatology. You have a sharp mind and are clearly seeking understanding in these unusual times. I have read everything you have posted about this idea and will continue to follow what you have to say, but as of now I remain unconvinced. At some point I will get around to putting together in written or video form my views on the subject.
• When you have a moment, please let me know what is the most significant counter point you have to what i am presenting, so i can study and assess. One thing i would present to you as food for thought is if times and laws are changing, and the lying signs and wonders are already upon us...then does it make scriptural and/or logical sense that all of it could and is being achieved by someone or something OTHER THAN 1) the "king" that of arises after the 10 kings . Dan. 7 and/or 2) the one whose comes by the power of Satan. 2 Thess 2?
  
  If you do not think these lying signs and wonders do not relate to said scriptures above, then by what logic or scripture would you say they are explained by?
  
  To me, this is a major, if not most significant reason why the "single figure end times ruler" interpretation fails. There are other reasons why that form of interpretation fails, but this is a huge one.What I am noticing in the seeing community is that because we don't see the single figure evil king of the end times we try to play down the significance or relevance of the lying signs and wonders.
  
  I have heard everything from the idea that the lying signs and wonders are just a horrible distraction to it is just the build up to revealing who this character really is. The problem with these conclusions is that they must overlook a very serious logical flaw. Namely that scripture tells us that the "coming,presence or also revelation" (G3952) of this character is directly related to the actions that he does. 2 Thess 29 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,his "coming" G952 (coming,presence or also revelation) is "after" G2596 (down from, through out ,according to, toward, along ,according to one's own) SO his revelation of his presence or his appearance is according to and through "the working of Satan". AKA the lying signs and wonders will indicate who is or at minimum who he is NOT.
  
  In other words, there is nothing that indicates 1) there are multiple occasions in the end time of lying signs and wonders and 2) there is no indication of a "build up to" or a "phase 1 then phase 2" for this prophecy to manifest. To the contrary, they are inextricably entwined. One does not occur without the other...there are the signs and there is a reveal and they relate to one another fundamentally. Therefore what this indicates is that because they "go together" what this tells us is at minimum is that the reveal is NOT the single figure "wizard" character (for lack of a better term) we imagined him to be.
• You have a legitimate point and I see how you have been led in the direction you have gone. I am of the belief that his coming is a process. A culmination of lying signs and wonders intended to make clear his path of acceptance (i.e. the bible changes and other things). I think we are in the early innings of this process, and that the restrainer has not yet been taken out of the way, and the lawless one has therefore not yet been revealed.
  
  Ok so one of my biggest counter points is this.Matthew 24:14-21 King James Version (KJV)14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.Starting with verse 14 Jesus says “and then shall the end come.”
  
  Jesus then gives us something very specific to look for that has already been prophesied. I find it hard to believe given the gravity of the situation that Jesus would be giving us some fulfillment of prophecy to look for that would be esoteric in meaning. He then follows it up with very practical advice for those living in the area at that time. GO don’t waste time, don’t go back and get things just head for the mountains. This is not a parable. When Jesus gave hidden meanings it was in parable form. I don’t think he would point to some prophecy being fulfilled in a debatable esoteric manner then followed directly by specific and urgent instructions. To me this is inconsistent with the urgency of the situation.I have to leave this right here because I need to prepare for tonight’s livestream.
• OK great thank you. I look forward to the live stream. Also, this is a passage that I have been ruminating on lately as well, and I believe I can provide a reasonable response as to how this fits in. Will need to finish up that due diligence first. There is actually a very interesting way to read that passage that really hits home.